Thunderbolt & Ice Beam are better type coverage.


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cazaa09, please read the rules on the first page of the rating center. This is for competitive teams; you should read Smogon articles to get started.

so this is what I ultimatly went with in the VGWC, I worked very well defeating 22 VGWC Teams (Out of 26)
Remember doubles

Groudon Expert Belt
Sassy EVS HP, AT

Earthquake
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw
Rock Slide
He was able to survive Kyogre and Mewtwos Blizzard, then KO it with Earthquake with the EV spread I gave it

Zapdos Life Orb
Bold EVs HP, SD, DF, SA

Discharge
Heat Wave
Air Cutter
Roost
I was only able to use Roost once I didn't help too much I was KO'd next turn, still survived Groudons Rock slide and Garchomps Stone edge, I gave it life Orb because it need the Oomph more than Groudon, Air Cutter work great as No one expected it.

Lugia Leftovers
Modest EVs HP SA

Aeroblast
Icy wind
Thunder bolt
Protect
I went with Icy wind in hopes of slowing the foes down to get Metagross more Hits, protect to deal with metagrosses explosion and to get a free turn of leftover recovery

Metagross Quick claw
Adamant EVs HP AT

Earthquake
Iron Head
Explosion
Rock Slide

Quick claw to surprise foes, and get in explosioin before Its KOd Nothing Makes Mewtwo more upset than getting flinched by metagross, Explosion devastated foes of course, SD EVs allowed it to take Zapdos Heat wave in the sun and KO with rock slide

Giratina Griseous Orb/Leftovers
Adamant EVs HP AT DF SD

Earthquake
Shadow Force
Outrage
Protect
Protect bought it time to heal with leftovers, mean while it took every Draco meteor, Dragon claw, Dragon pulse, and Outrage from every pokemon, Except the Hax Shiny Rayquaza I fought and lost to

Togekiss Serene grace Lum Berry
Modest EVs HP SA SD DF

Air Cutter
Aura Sphere
Heat Wave
Hyper Beam
Air cutter was awsome dispit what Smogon thinks, KOing many foes that were expecting air slash, Hyper Beam was also good as It took out many foes, including full health Mewtwo, Kyogre and Groudon. Lum berry was because while testing the team I was always shut down by status and togekiss is my most versitil pokemon.

feel free to quote this as VGWC are over for me this year

#381 Latios
Dragon-Psychic
Ability: Levitate
Item: Dragon Claw

Draco Meteor (140/90/5)
Water Pulse (60/100/20)
Thunderbolt (95/100/15)
Psychic (90/100/10)


#208 Steelix
Ground-Steel
Ability: Rock Head
Item: Metal Coat

Dig (80/100/10)
Flash Cannon (80/100/10)
Stone Edge (100/80/5)
Double Edge (120/100/15)


#065 Alakazam
Psychic
Ability: Synchronize
Item: Spell Tag

Psychic (90/100/10)
Shadow Ball (80/100/15)
Disable (--/80/20)
Shock Wave (60/100%/20)


#365 Walrein
Water-Ice
Ability: Thick Fat
Item: Nevermeltice

Ice Beam (95/100/10)
Body Slam (85/100/15)
Blizzard (120/70/5)
Surf (95/100/15)


#243 Raikou
Electric
Ability: Pressure
Item: Magnet

Thunder Fang (65/95/15)
Crunch (80/100/15)
Rain Dance (--/--/5)
Thunder (120/70/5)


#250 Ho-oh
Fire-Flying
Ability: Pressure
Item: Charcoal

Flamethrower (95/100/15)
Brave Bird (120/100/15)
Fly (90/95/15)
Sacred Fire (100/95/5)

Hello Psypokians! Here's a team I requested to my friend just for some pure attack fun on Shoddy Battle, and seeing how well it's served me there, I'm considering creating it on my heartgold.

GET OWNED, the Lvl1 @ Focus Sash--LEAD
any nature
Own Tempo
stats: level 1...no stats needed
~Trick Room
~Spore
~Endeavor
~Dragon Rage

This gets 'em about 85% of the time, and when it does, it usually takes out about 2 of their pokemon. The strategy is that they attack (focus sash), Smeargle uses TR, then spore, Endeavor, then DR them. If they don't attack, but insist on setting up stealth rock, then it usually takes out two pokemon. I've seen ghost leads sometimes, so then I switch.

FACE FACE FACE, the Lvl100 @Choice Band--???
Adamant
Technician
HP248/ATK252/Spd8
~Bullet Punch
~Superpower
~U-Turn
~Pursuit

Not much to say here, but Superpower goes over the roof, especially with the choice band in play.

GAAAASDF, the lvl100 @Choice Scarf--???
Jolly
Sand Stream
HP4/ATK252/SPD252
~Crunch
~Pursuit
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge

Again, just pure, raw, attacking.

BREAK THINGS, the lvl100 @Choice Specs--???
Modest
Intimidate
DEF 4/SPD 252/SP. ATK 252
~Draco Meteor
~Dragon Pulse
~Flamethrower
~Hydro Pump

I don't know what to say here. It's a dragon that's useful against quite a few things. The fact that it's scarfed...and has Draco Meteor...means it can stay in for a while, just doing damage.

AQEWYRTDF, the lvl100 @Life Orb--???
Timid
Natural Cure
HP4/SPD 252/ SP. ATK 252
~Thunderbolt
~Hydro Pump
~Surf
~Ice Beam

Ice Beam is for those annoying dragon types and grass types mostly. Vaporeons, Gyaradoses, no problem.

UP YOURS, the lvl100 @Expert Belt--???
Jolly
Serene Grace
HP 80/ATK 252/SPD 176
~Iron Head
~Fire Punch
~Stealth Rock
~Thunder Wave

Probably the only lvl100 here that has non-damage-dealing moves. It's some variation of the wall-breaker jirachi, but it's useful, especially against those fighting types, like Machamp.

So, this team was thought up for pure damage, and little else. It works pretty well, especially with the lead Smeargle effectively destroying the opponent's plans early on. Especially for those who think they're smart, and decide to switch pokemon each turn as my smeargle runs through the motions, it ends up hurting them, because they end up with a pokemon that's asleep, one with low HP thanks to endeavor, and another that took 40 HP of damage from Dragon Rage. I'd just like some opinions on it, like whether or not I should actually go to the lengths of creating it on my game, what could be changed to improve it, and your thoughts on the whole "KILLKILLKILL!!! DO MASSIVE DAMAGE BY SCARFING AND ATTACKING!!!" thing. My experiences on Shoddy say that it's much better than the "cautious" method of dealing with non-damage-dealing moves....the way I've been playing for 11 years is the latter. Anyway, rate, and stay cool this summer!

PowerPeanut OUT!

Quick question, does it take awhile to get the rating test graded? I sent it in to master chef at least a few weeks ago now, I haven't gottena reply...

aws41109, read the rules, the rating center is for competitive teams.




I think MasterChef stopped rating teams temporarily; you can send it to me.

Help Rate my New Team

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Lead:
Infernape - Jolly w/ Life Orb
4 HP, 252 attack, 252 speed
Fake Out
U-Turn
Close Combat
Blaze Kick

Salamence - Rash w/ Life Orb
4 At, 252 sp. attack, 252 speed
Draco Meteor
Hydro Pump
Earthquake
Outrage / Fireblast?

Dragonite - Lonely w/ Life Orb
252 attack, 252 sp. attack, 4 speed
Draco Meteor
Extreme Speed
Hidden Power (Grass)
Outrage/ Earthquake?

Blissy - Bold w/ Leftovers
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 sp. def.
Ice Beam
Charge Beam
Softboiled
Heal Bell

Starmie - Timid w/ Choice Specs / Choice Scarf?
252 sp. attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Hydro Pump
Grass Knot

Heracross - Adamant w/ Flame Orb?
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Mega Horn
Facade?

I'd like to bring back to attention a couple teams that haven't been rated yet, mine included. (no offense labarith)

Comments in red.

Now rate mine.

Thanks for the rating. The reason I don't have Infernape or Electivire
is simply because I don't have a second ds and not very many of my friends
can trade with me. And I have Shadow Ball on Gardevoir to hit ghosts
and other psychics.

1. It's the internet. I'll trade you a good chimchar if you want. And if you have an electibuzz ev trained that's worth evolving, I'll probably help you out with that too. PM me.
2. Dark Pulse hits all that AND normal types.

I'll rate your team next labarith...but did you take the Raters Test to rate teams here?

And thanks for the better rating! You'll have to bear with me, because I'm really not used to making defensive sets. Would Suicune, Umbreon, and Blissey make a fairly good team together? If so, which Suicune set should I use and what should be my lead? And should I just scrap the double teams? I'm not setting goals as high as 100 battles yet, just the gold plates for now.

I didn't know there was such a test. He was asking for someone to rate his team, so I was just trying to help out.

If you saw Serebii 3yrs ago when I was there, you'd know why a test was created here. Anyways, the rules are on the first page.


Suicune, Umbreon, and Blissey is a completely defensive team. With Suicune's Calm Mind, you *might* be able to get away with it by using Suicune to sweep. However, the normal team is 1 physical sweeper, 1 special sweeper, and 1 wall / tank (and Suicune would be a good tank). Whether you use Ice Beam or Sleep Talk on Suicune depends on the other two pokemon you choose. Ice Beam has more coverage; Sleep Talk lets you attack while resting.

I'm trying an espeon set I made myself.


Espeon @ Wise Glasses @ Modest
6 HP / 252 Sp.Att / 252 Speed
~ Psychic
~ Toxic
~ Calm Mind
~ Substitute

First, you need Leftovers for recovery, and Timid for speed over Modest. Use Calm Mind for the SpA boosts.

Sub-CM is good, but why Toxic?

The Sub-CM-BP set is known as EspyJump, and is a great team supporter. Switch in on a special attacker, Substitute then Calm Mind up as long as you can (a good opponent will switch to a physical attacker immediately). BP your Sub and Calm Minds to an appropriate teammate.

New Team in need of feedback:

Lead: Infernape - Jolly @ Focus Sash
4 HP, 252 attack, 252 speed
Fake Out
Stealth Rocks
Close Combat
Blaze Kick

Strategy - I really like Focus Sash on this guy, and he's got the stealth rocks, so generally he either KOs the first guy while leaving stealth rock for when the next guy comes out, or he fakesout, stealth rock, and either switch or dying hit to set up the revenge kill

Salamence - Jolly @ Life Orb
252 At, 252 speed, 4 HP
Draco Meteor
Crunch
Earthquake
Outrage

Non-pump sweeper - Salamence can usually sweep most non-tanks w/o an issue; Draco Meteor gives it a 1-off attack for physical walls and a dragon attack that doesn't lock him into suicide mode.

Gyarados - Adamant w/ Leftovers
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake
Stone Edge

DD Sweeper - I think this is a fairly standard build, and is fairly safe to switch into water and flying moves - so he often comes in after they bring out something to kill Infernape.

Blissey - [Serene Grace] Bold w/ Leftovers
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 sp. def.
Ice Beam (dragons, freezing)
Charge Beam (for special sweeper conversion)
Softboiled
Heal Bell (cleric duty)

Heal Bell makes this a decent cleric, as burn or paralysis really messes up my big guns bad. Ice Beam can usually kill a Salamence after a Stealth Rocks, and after a few charge beams this thing is a special tank. 20% chance of freeze is nice, and the best way to deal with an opposing blissey. Maxed our HP makes this very hard to kill, save for physical fighting moves.

Starmie - Timid @ Choice Specs
252 sp. attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
Thunderbolt (for flying, water)
Ice Beam (for dragons, rock)
Hydro Pump (for the big guns; ice beam has similar coverage and more reliability)
Grass Knot (for Swampert)

Special sweeper


Metagross - Impish w/ Leftovers
252 HP, 252 def, 4 attack
Iron Head (for flinching!)
?Agility?
Hammer Arm (for blissey)
Iron Defense

Physical Tank/Wall

Also a new team also in need of feedback

Infernape Flare Blitz
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Grass Knot

Gliscor Ice Fang
Earthquake
Thunder Fang
Roost

Tyranitar Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Crunch

Leafeon X Scissor
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Aerial Ace

Vaporeon Wish
Surf
Ice Beam
Toxic

Garchomp Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Swords Dance
Stone Edge

Not sure of items yet.
Thanks in advance.

Post your team when you have items & EVs decided.

This is a new team i have come up with. Ive made some major changes from the original team and it's working a lot better.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 200 HP/56 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Steel Wing
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This skarmory doesn't always live very long, but it can easily ko aerodactyls and usually gets sr up.

Salamence @ Dragon Fang
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Pretty good moves here, dd sweeper with fire blast to deal with steel types.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Surf

Just a standard Crocune set, works pretty well. Timid nature is simply to outspeed other suicunes

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk/6 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Energy Ball
- Charge Beam
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Alakazam is pretty fast, so the goal here is to come in on a weakened pokemon, use charge beam, and sweep. Gyarados works extremely well for this, so it is very important to have stealth rock support.

Weavile @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Low Kick
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
-Night slash

Revenge killer. Only problem is the stealth rock weakness. Also, can't decide on last move

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 100 HP/156 Atk/252 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Roost

Gliscor is here primarily because of an electric weaknessbut he is also pretty good for some tanking. Hyper cutter is a very useful ability.

The largest threat comes from a speed boosted BoltBeam sweeper. For example, if Life Orb Electivire took a Charge Beam (not unlikely, if you're going to be Charge Beaming Gyarados's) you would have difficulty stopping it. HP Ice Jolteon, with its speed, may be an issue as well - but adding a special wall will counter Jolteon.

Without a special wall, though, any speed boosted special sweeper could sweep.

i don't want to get rid of suicune, but will get rid of gliscor. what do you think would make a good replacement for gliscor? i'm trying blissey.
Also i changed my skarmory set to SR, steel wing, drill peck, and whirlwind

So now that things have calmed down with baby and moving I'll try do more rates.

There aren't many large annoyances in the movesets of the Pokemon, but there are a couple major weaknesses. First off, DDMence can sweep through a significant portion of the team, only being revenged by Metagross. Consider running Scarf on Starmie over Specs as to alleviate this threat a little. Secondly, despite the fact that you could beat it with some smart switching between Salamence and Gyarados for Intimidate, DDTar leaves a huge dent in this team if it's running Babri Berry. This is why I suggest that you run Thunder Wave on Blissey. Another option would be to remove Blissey altogether, as she doesn't really fit on an offense based team like this one. I'd use Scarfgon instead as to alleviate the weaknesses I mentioned (Jolly can speed tie with +1 DDMence).