Magneton is made from three obese Magnemite. ROFL

I will never forget that image of dugtrio.O_o

Is that image of the Porygon episode the actual speed that the frames went, or is that image slowed down?

That Caterpie image made me d'awww so bad. :> I forgot how sweet that episode was.


If only there were more Poison types that were as capable as Koffing family... sadly I don't think Gamefreak will ever stop hating Poison type.



Oh man, I remember I used to get so mad when Psyduck was mistreated. It was just trying to be friendly, cute, and useful, but nooooo Misty abuses it anyways, then when it pulls through for her, she's all like "Yeah I'm like best friends with this Psyduck". YOU LIE MISTY. YOU LIE.

I thought grimer/muk was decent, but the ground type weakness is just too crippling for battle since just about every pokemon above 300 lbs. can learn earthquake now.

Plenty of the Poison pokes are pretty sweet, but their weaknesses combined with the fact that Poison is absolutely terrible as an attacking type (one supereffective, two huge weaknesses, one type completely resistant to it) makes Poison just about the worst type in the game. Unfortunately it is my favorite type, meaning I am doomed from the start in the metagame.

I'm glad Umbreon was your highest rated Dark Type.

I don't remember ever offering you Blisseys, were we going to post out cartridges to each other? Sounds like me, but my memories from way back then are kinda foggy.
I do remember I did have a trainer hall with 6 Lv.1 Snore Pokemon who were all the best in their particular "stat exp" group.
One of them was definitely a Blissey. I made them Lv.100 at first but they took way too long to kill for a lot of pokemon ^__^*

Also, my Cinnibar Island had Lv.252 and Lv.130 Clefables who would accost me while I was trying to innocently dupe my items. That glitch could give you between 1 and 3 different Lv.100+ Pokemon based on your name, and BOTH of my two were Clefables. The most annoying thing about them was that they'd often just spam minimise so I couldn't hit them, and I couldn't run away because they were so high level. Stupid Clefables. Why won't you all just leave me alone?

I'm very surprised to see Lickilicky and Tangrowth still in the running.

Also Togetic? Really?

That was NOT required. My pure innocence of Skitty has forever been ruined because of the internet. :[

Wow, it's great to see Rapidash scored so high on your rankings! I loved it the first time I saw it, back in 1998, when a schoolfriend brought a Nintendo magazine to class, with a full list of the 150 Pokemon: it was love at first sight, since horses have always been my favorite animal. It became my number one favorite Pokemon until Generation 3 came along and Altaria took its place! But it still has a special place in my heart, not only due to nostalgia, but also due to the fact that Rapidash itself is an awesome Pokemon. And I loved how Ponyta evolved in that episode, still racing!

Dave: nah, we were never going to trade carts, but I just always remembered you posting on the Ezboard about how you planned to get a team of six Blissey that had nothing but Snore, give that to the Trainer House's guy for his team and then fight them for easy EXP. :P Sounds like I got the story mixed up a bit over the years so that there were five more Blissey though... and funny you should mention Tangrowth and Lickilicky!

Joey: can you really blame the Internets for running with something that's possible in the games themselves? :P

Galar: Thanks for sharing! I had forgotten that Rapidash was your pre-Altaria favorite!

Update Title: "C IS FOR COOKIE," referring to #22.

30. Spoink
(Generation: III; National Dex: 325)
Let there be no doubt: the single greatest Pokemon name is SPOINK!?, which became yet another running gag for the Elite Four in the chat. Like Grumpig, Spoink has the same tight design, since pigs are known as smart, thus justifying the Psychic-type, which connects to the "pearl of wisdom" and "cast swine before pearls" phrases, yadayada. More importantly, Spoink is one of the cutest Pokemon ever, with adorable eyes, a simplified, funny body, and a spring tail instead of hind legs. It has some really cute cards, including one of my favorite cards ever. The games have some sick obsession with Spoink dying, though, since they say it dies without its pearl and has cardiac arrest if it ever stops bouncing. WTF. Thankfully, the anime ignoreD these quirks when Spoink appeared in two episodes, but it WAS so sad to see him without his pearl. ;_; I like that Spoink has a connection with Clamperl because that actually makes sense, and I used Spoink on my first Sapphire team as well as DP. It's another RS Pokemon that looks way better in DP, for the record. Overall, it's one of the most lovable unevolved Pokemon.

29. Drifloon
(Generation: IV; National Dex: 425)
When idiots cry about how "Nintendo is running out of ideas!!!", I look at new Pokemon like Drifloon and think, "...not really." While we've had "balloon" Pokemon before, Drifloon is the first to actually look the part and the little details, like the cloud on its head, its strings that have heart-shaped tips, and its yellow X patch (which surprisingly conceals A MOUTH), go a LONG way to make it unique. And thankfully it can't pop. Drifloon is also awesome because they used a new type combination, Ghost/Flying, and in the process gave us the first Ghost-type that I've found REALLY cute. And its backstory? Amazing. How many adorable Pokemon would you expect to try DRAGGING CHILDREN TO HELL? LOVE IT. I also appreciate how Drifloon was found on the overworld, and making it available on Friday was a nice throwback to GSC's Lapras. Even greater is how it says "Floooooon!" before the battle, inspiring yet another Psypoke chat meme. Overall, Drifloon is one of DP's most adorable and creative designs, and I'm A-OK with the series continuing as long as we get a few Pokemon this great with each game.


28. Drifblim
(Generation: IV; National Dex: 426)
After thinking DRIFLOON was an incredible design, it went and evolved in DRIFBLIM, who is even MORE awesome. When GameFreak can turn wacky inanimate objects like hot air balloons into ADORABLE POKEMON, I think the concern about running out of ideas for new Pokemon is SO unfounded. There are so many amazing things about Drifblim, like its awesome design, complete with cute red eyes, streamers and mouth patch; decent stats, particularly that massive HP; that wonderful, unique typing that has THREE immunities; and the adorable Unburden ability, which I wished triggered after consuming berries. Drifblim's only real drawback is being the trademark Pokemon of some lame busted mess. Conversely, I actually like that Flint has one in DP since hot air balloons need fire to stay afloat, although it really should learn Flamethrower or something. After collecting all of Drifblim's cards, which are all adorable, I can safely say that Drifblim is one of the cutest and, like Drifloon, most creative final evolutions EVER. Seriously, a Ghost/Flying-type blimp gives me hope for a Water/Ghost-type pirate ship one day. <3

I addressed the "running out of ideas" thing here because Drifblim is my favorite Ghost-type and my top three for the type - Drifblim, Drifloon and Froslass - are all from DP, which should be proof that I'm NOT a newgenophobe. Overall, the Ghost-type is decent, but it could really benefit from more Pokemon. Are you listening, BW? Regardless, Drifblim is a magnificent benchmark for the type.


27. Bellossom
(Generation: II; National Dex: 182)
Although Bellossom was one of the earlier-revealed Johto Pokemon, I actually thought it was evil at first and wrote a fanfic about how a pack of crazy "Kireihana" (its Japanese name) ran around killing off the anime's cast. But when I saw the cute Bellossom in the second mini-movie and how it was a really cool dancer (--Cynthia), I started to like it. Today, I think Bellossom is a really creative design that crosses a flower with a hula dancer, as seen from its petal skirt, adorable eyes and the red flowers on its head. And at 1'4" and 12 pounds, it's also a tiny little thing, which wasn't reflected in its cute sprites until after GSC, and thus I like imagining Bellossom dancing in the palms of my hands. While it is a bit strange that Bellossom looks nothing like Oddish and Gloom, it WAS originally designed to have the family's dark blue coloring and, honestly, I'm okay with the disparity between Bellossom and its pre-evolutions because it's WAY cuter now. Looking at the old colors do remind me that Bellossom was the first forum icon I ever made... too bad Amphy overwrote it a few years later. ;(


Unlike the other branched evolutions from Generation II, Bellossom is about equal to its counterpart Vileplume in competitive viability, i.e. not very. While it's not bad for a Grass-type, it IS very generic, as my Crystal and Diamond Bellossom had the exact same moveset: Sunny Day, Solarbeam, HP Fire/Ice, Sleep Powder. You know, the same old set that almost EVERY Grass-type uses. However, I still love that Bellossom was created for two gameplay reasons: one, because branched evolutions in general are an awesome idea; and two, because it fixed a major problem of the previous games, specifically how there was only one pure Grass-type in RBY, while the majority of the others were Grass/Poison. Like Bellossom's Sun Stone counterpart Thunflora, the fact that Bellossom's name includes an "S" is not lost me, and Bellothom can be an extremely ~thuper fabulouth~ gay icon himself. <3 Overall, with many darling appearances in the anime and more adorable TCG artwork than I can link in one sentence, Bellossom is a top personal favorite and a strong reason why Grass is my second-favorite type.

26. Porygon2
(Generation: II; National Dex: 233)
With all things considered, Porygon2 could have just as easily never existed, so I definitely appreciate that it was made after Pokemon Shock, although it sucks how it's one of the only two Pokemon to never appear in the anime because an Porygon2 episode would have been SO. FREAKING. AWESOME. One major reason why I love Porygon2 is because it's the complete antithesis of an "unnecessary evolution": Porygon REALLY needed one, and Porygon2 delivered, upholding the theme of technology of its predecessor and adding many upgrades. In accordance with Moore's Law, Porygon2 is smaller, lighter, more powerful and, although still a bit slow, technically faster than Porygon. Design-wise, it'd be really easy to make a tech Pokemon look boring and soulless but, like its pre-evolution, Porygon2 is very cute and expressive, and I love how it's a smoothed out version of Porygon's 3D origami crane/duck design. Hell, I don't even mind that they evolved something like Porygon2 since, when comparing 2 and Z, they're really more like a Scyther/Scizor situation and Porygon2 is still completely viable. Great!


Although it's awesome how Porygon evolves with an item named UP-GRADE, I always hated that Porygon2 was a trade Pokemon because that meant I couldn't get this great Pokemon. It had MUCH better stats than Porygon, with only Speed lagging behind, and a fantastic movepool that includes Boltbeam, Recover, Curse and Body Slam. Later on, it even got two GREAT abilities in Trace and Download. Naturally, when I finally got my hands on Porygon2 in Silver in 2004 and again in Crystal in 2008, I squeed at its cuteness and versality and named it Caesar. I also got another one in DP a few months ago since Krisp helped me evolve it. <3 P2 is also actually pretty awesome in DP's metagame since, despite being officially "NU" tier, the fact that Trace screws over many staples like Salamence and Gyarados meant that it got sizable usage in OU. Although, I must say that I don't like how small and weird it looks after DP, nor how it's randomly considered "red"-colored in the Pokedex. And, while it has some cute artwork, it's an awesome Pokemon who deserves better than really embarrassing 3D models.

25. Politoed
(Generation: II; National Dex: 186)
When I reviewed Poliwrath way back when, I pointed out how bizarre it was for being a 4'3", 119lb TADPOLE. And that's why I much prefer Politoed because Poliwag was finally able to become a FROG instead of some giant mutant tadpole. With Politoed's adorable eyes, upbeat colors and attitude, nice cheek sacs and funny feet, it's a really CUTE frog at that, although I only recently noticed that it had a swirl on its belly, just like the rest of its family, albeit green and yellow. WAW WAW. Considering its evolution item, I like how Politoed's head curl symbolizes its status as "king" of its family, especially since it does use its song to command its pre-evolutions. Speaking of which, the fact that Politoed is a singing, dancing bipedal (tree) frog really reminds me of this guy, lawl. Granted, Politoed is inferior to Poliwrath in battle, thanks to the latter's second typing, but I'll take lesser battler who is cuter and happier any day. That's not to say Politoed sucked, since it's always had decent stats and a usable movepool, plus picked up Water Absorb in later games, but it does live in the shadows of better Bulky Waters, unfortunately.


Misty's Politoed in the anime is actually why I started to love the species, since Poliwhirl thankfully got to evolve without being traded. (Because God forbid anybody on the show TRADE POKEMON, amirite?) Politoed was a happy, energetic and adorable character who, even despite his owner being a massive funsucker, liked to clap and dance at random moments, which are the kind of quirks that I like. When I got to use Politoed for the first time in my 2008 Crystal file, it worked pretty well in-game and I was glad to have it, even though its later sprites were a massive improvement in pose, coloring and scaling from GSC's. Unfortunately, it's also one of the more low-key Pokemon in the card game; although its artwork is usually really cute, it's gotten only about five English cards, with one being a super rare, two more being exclusive to Japan, and TOMOKAZU drawing its very first card. Poor guy did nothing to deserve the TCG's treatment, nor to be defiled when Brock's Crackface cosplayed as one. :( Overall, Politoed is a bright personality who added something new to the series and I wish it got more respect.

24. Mareep
(Generation: II; National Dex: 179)
This update is already very tl;dr, so I'll hit the beats here quickly. I mostly love Mareep because I love real-life sheep and it's a cute implementation of the species. Of course, I used Mareep a LOT in-game because it appears early in GS and, while I was let down when it wasn't in Crystal, it's nice that you can get one before Falkner in HGSS. Its name is also a cool portmanteau of "Mary" and "sheep," and I love its in-game cry for sounding very sheep-like. It's adorable in the anime, has a ton of adorable artwork in the TCG, and does a good job laying the groundwork for Ampharos' design with the striped ears, facial structure and tail orb. Its type is a brilliant reference to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and how wool is prone to static electricity, and I still fondly remember a letter my friend sent me that had a drawing of her looking at a Mareep and saying "SILENCE." Also, Mareep being considered a "white" Pokemon is absolutely horrible. IT IS YELLOW. IN EVERY. SINGLE. SPRITE. And even in the Sugimori art! Finally, I would like to conclude with the most important and undeniable fact: it's FLUFFY. <3

23. Altaria
(Generation: III; National Dex: 334)
Originally, although I loved Swablu, I didn't care very much about Altaria. Its face seems kind of ugly and stuck-up in its RS sprite, and its typing annoyed me because it doesn't look like a Dragon at ALL and I was hoping it would be pure Flying instead. However, once DP came along, Altaria got REALLY CUTE AND HAPPY with a sprite that's all "\_(^o^)_/!!," and the tons of horrific new Dragon-types of the last two Generations really helped put things into perspective. Like Meganium, I greatly appreciate how Altaria provides a completely different flavor from the usual GRR ANGRY OVERPOWERED offensive Dragon-types: as an adorable cloudbirdie, it is girly, peaceful and, since it's the only defensive, UU Dragon-type EVER, not as permanently in-your-face in competitive battling. Like Swablu, wouldn't it be awesome to give Altaria a hug? And even MORE SO because Altaria can soothe you with its singing, which is cutely referenced in its name, and because its wings are so much bigger and more suitable for hugging? You certainly can't say these kinds of things about Salamence nor Garchomp!


The great thing about the Internet fandom is that we can share theories about the real-life basis of Pokemon. I mean, without sites like Bulbapedia, I sure as hell wouldn't know that Altaria is based on Peng, a bird creature from Chinese mythology whose wings resemble clouds. In addition to being a bird, peng can turn into a fish, which greatly amuses me because Jiggz once described Altaria has having a "fishface." It's also sometimes depicted as having a dragon's head, which finally unlocks the mystery behind its otherwise-inexplicable typing, and I love Altaria even MORE now that I know the story behind it. I used it for the first time in DP and, although Swablu was painful to train, Altaria was actually pretty decent, particularly because I hacked Outrage onto mine even though it only got the move in Platinum. ;o And I was really surprised that they gave Altaria, and not Flygon, to LANCE in HGSS. In addition to having a cute anime voice and design, Altaria has lots of adorable TCG artwork and an association with Galar, whom I like, so it's a great Pokemon who stands out among its annoying typing.

22. Tangrowth
(Generation: IV; National Dex: 465)
When I looked through the new Pokemon for the first time, Tangrowth was an IMMEDIATE standout, as my initial reaction was "OMG! They evolved Tangela into COOKIE MONSTER! That is AWESOME!!" So, yes, right off the bat and without the fandom's low opinion of Tangrowth entering the picture, I loved this unpopular, "ugly and stupid" new evolution. Seeing people give it so much hell for being "just a Tangela with hands" only has made me defend and appreciate it MORE. For one thing, very few people liked Tangela in the first place, so why act like it's some huge tragedy that they "ruined it" with a "stupid" evolution? And, personally, I think a tumbleweed-like ball of vines evolving into a bush-like ball of vines is a completely NATURAL PROGRESSION, and I like that it retained Tangela's googly eyes while growing hands. I even find the design creative because it resembles a shaggy caveman, which works REALLY WELL with Tangela evolving after it learns Ancientpower. I could continue on and on about this topic, but I will save the rest of my rage about the fandom's opinion of Tangrowth for the next entry.


Although we reference the Cookie Monster thing all the time in the chat, there's a lot more to love about Tangrowth. It has one of my favorite types of design: one that's more lighthearted and not meant to be taken as some deep and serious statement, kind of like Mow Rotom. I personally think it's hilarious, especially how one of its hands is always posed as if to say "Bring it on!" and that it'll still kick your ass despite looking ridiculous. And, unlike Magneton, I really liked seeing my old buddy Tangela evolve because it needed the evolution and Tangrowth is just a goofy, funny, shaggy guy. With four big stats and a massive movepool, including key moves like Knock Off and Power Whip, it's a huge improvement and I loved to use it in Diamond. Granted, it'd be cooler if I didn't have to PAL PARK a Tangela from LeafGreen, and Tangrowth could have better abilities, but those are forgivable complaints. It's funny in the anime, has a really funny Japanese name (Mojumbo!) and super cool TCG artwork, and is even one of the few LV. X cards that I really want to own. I just think it's awesome in general.

21. Lickilicky
(Generation: IV; National Dex: 463)
... This is going to be a long one, since Lickilicky is one of DP's most hated Pokemon, yet it's nearly top 20. Stop reading now if you don't want to see four paragraphs of disgruntled nerd rage.

When I first saw Lickilicky, I was pretty neutral. I liked that they upgraded a Pokemon who needed an evolution, even if it's ZOMG INCONSISTENT since Lickitung could learn Rollout before DP, but I still only thought, "eh, it's alright." After seeing that it had great, well-rounded stats and a huge movepool, including Power Whip, Hammer Arm and Explosion, which meant that it was the only Pokemon to get STAB on that move, I really had no problems. And then the fandom came into play, inspiring what I'd like to call The Lickilicky Paradox. You see, one of the biggest criticisms that people HAVE about Lickilicky is how it sucks for being "just a bigger Lickitung." First of all, not really. Lickilicky has a MUCH smaller tail, a less gross mouth than DP Lickitung, a cute tongue-shaped head curl and, as Pelli once said, belly markings that make it look like it's wearing "a tux, not a bib" like Lickitung. Sure, these are more subtle changes than Shelgon magically turning into Salamence, but THEY ARE CHANGES nonetheless. Second of all, SINCE WHEN do Pokemon NEED to look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AFTER EVOLVING?

Do people ever complain how "Pidgeot looks just like Pidgeotto" or how "Clefable is so unoriginal for being a bigger Clefairy" or how any of the Starters are just bigger versions of their pre-evolutions? No. So why is it SUCH A PROBLEM that Lickilicky resembles Lickitung? If these people hate Lickitung too, fine, I can understand that. But there are people out there who love Lickitung, hate Lickilicky and STILL claim that Lickilicky is too much like Lickitung. HOW DOES THAT WORK?! And, honestly? Lickitung and Lickilicky and Tangela and Tangrowth don't have any more in common than about 80% of the evolutionary lines in this series. People just bitch about THEM IN PARTICULAR because they debuted AFTER their pre-evolutions, which is DUMB. And then people also throw a shitfit over the name "Lickilicky." Guess what? A TON OF ENGLISH AND JAPANESE NAMES IN THIS SERIES ARE STUPID. Nobody ever pretended that Lickilicky was supposed to be some deep name, so people need to stop acting like that's the case. Personally, I think it's pretty funny, but Lickilickylicke would have been funnier.

And then people play the "IT'S SO UGLYYY AND STOOPIDZ" card for Lickilicky more than any Sinnoh Pokemon, save Bidoof and Bibarel, and I don't get the hatred. Lickilicky isn't common. Nobody uses one. It's not particularly hard to take down in battle. And about the whole "ugly" thing, really? You can't do better than some pre-school insult? I know looks are subjective, but I personally think some CRACKHEADED LAND SHARK like Garchomp, whom the same Lickilicky haters adore because it's so OMG COOOL for having fangs on its knees and an angry rabid face, is pretty fugly. As for it being so "stupid," again, people need to LIGHTEN UP. Not every Pokemon is supposed to be super serious GRR ANGRY annihilator! Calm down, take a breath, and unclench. Some Pokemon like Lickilicky are there for the purpose of being goofy and light-hearted, and such variety is GOOD thing. The fandom's reaction seems to me like a couple of people saw Lickilicky as a new evolution, had kneejerk reactions because "THEY CHANGED IT AND NOW IT SUX BAWWW" and then the bandwagon hatred snowballed for no real reason.

As Lickilicky hatred was exploding, it actually really grew on me. As I said before, Lickitung was in DIRE need of an evolution, unlike Electabuzz or Rhydon, and then Lickilicky's Platinum sprite came along and it was SO ADORABLE. The moment I saw it, Lickilicky became one of my top favorites because I realized it's a happy, funny and lovable, especially in the anime too. And, when I got back into the TCG, I collected each of Lickilicky's cards and they are ALL really cute, ESPECIALLY its Platinum card, which has a funny attack called "Harrumph!" That is AWESOME! Krisp also had this adorable picture as her avatar at one point with the rank "I ATE YOUR BABIES LOL!" Hilarious. And when we got my cat in December 2007, what became my mom's nickname for her? Lickilicky, even though she has NO knowledge of the Pokemon or its name. While I like Lickilicky, would it be this high if the fandom didn't hate it so much? Probably not, no. But the pure VENOM that it receives from EVERYBODY triggers a defense mechanism in me, and it's the same one that makes me champion neglected, underused Pokemon.

It is SO frustrating to me to see a Pokemon that I like SO much receive SO MUCH hatred from the fandom just because it's "ugly" or whatever. So, screw the fandom and their mob mobility. I love me some Lickilicky and I will ALWAYS defend it.

Next update: 1 Kanto, 4 Johto. Also, the first Region is completely eliminated. Is it Hoenn, which has four Pokemon left, or Sinnoh, which has three?

Great rant on the Lickilicky hate! I've never understood why people think that way. He's so epic... And fat.
My main team on SS actually concluded with the capture of a Lickitung, and he's been an MVP since then.
Currently rocking Power Whip, Ice Beam, Fire Blast and Toxic (WTH, it's fun to use), he's been wrecking my friends' teams for a while now.

Frost, have you seen the Darkrai Movie? One of the human characters gets turned into a Lickylicky and hilarity insues.

I have the exact same opinion for lickilicky. except I plan to raise one for competitive battling so I can trollroll the hater 10yo's, lol. I do believe altiria was given to Lance as a gift in reference to the anime or something, I don't know. But the gift thing seems most reasonable because when I battled lance in LG I thought it was a complete waste of PP battling, but that's my opinion and I'm glad it isn't like the other dragons of later generations.

*standing ovation* I like the rant.

I love you for loving Meganium. Everyone hates him. When I told all of my friends that I was going to get Meganium they were all like "Wow ur getting the worst starter" and in battle... yes. BUT. It's still a really cool apparently masculine botanasaurus rex!

Tangrowth too. I don't know why I like him at all. You have your reasons, I don't. He rocks defensively and has Power Whip. That's my Tangrowth!

And Caesar is what I named my Gliscor!

That pic of lickilicky is just too cute, How can somebody hate it?

altaria started growing on me after I realized everyone preferred garchomp and salamence over it. I just dislike it when people immediately jump at catching one pokemon over another because of how powerful it's perceived to be. I'd prefer altaria over any dragon that's competition banned any day of the week.

I find it annoying how people start to prefer pokemon that a certain and intentionally "vague" fanbase supposedly hates. As if going against the status quo and "sticking up" for hated pokemon places you at a psychologically superior level to them as a pokemon gamer. Come on. People "hate" certain pokemon for a reason, and I will never find lickilicky appealing in any manner, albeit the need for an evolution.

The converse is also true. Pokemon with great designs such as Charizard/ other dragons are "loved" by this fanbase and are victimized for it by people who hate this fanbase? Nothing against you personally Frost, but Charizard is a better pokemon than Lickilicky hands down (IN MY OPINION).

Sorry but I couldn't listen to anymore of this ZOMG STANDING OVATION FOR THE RANT!!!11 bull ****, I needed to interject an opposing opinion.

I love reading rants of any kind,but this BY FAR stood out as the most interesting,best laid out,etc. rant I've ever read/agreed with. Also,I'm no uber fan of Megainium, but I don't dislike it either.But at the same time,I sorta agree with ArcaNineTales.

i kinda agree with ArcaNineTales i mean charizard is number 3 behind cubone (#2) and diglett (#1) but what makes this thread so good is Frost's unique opinon